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'''The Passions''' are a religion or a set of superstitions from [[Thaylenah]] on [[Roshar]].{{book ref|sa1|8}}{{book ref|sa2|3}}
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The '''Passions''' are a philosophy or religion from [[Thaylenah]] on [[Roshar]].{{wob ref|3804}}{{book ref|sa1|8}}{{book ref|sa2|3}}
   
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==Philosophy==
 
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|Don't know much blustering math...But I do know the Passions. You win when you need it most, you see.
  
|Don't know much blustering math...But I do know the Passions. You win when you need it most, you see.
 
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The primary tenet of the Passions is that wanting something draws it to you.{{wob ref|3804}} If you need money very badly, you will win when you gamble,{{book ref|sa1|8}} or if you strongly desire to visit a particular destination, you will get there even without a map.{{book ref|sa3|43}} The Passions do not have a formal theology, yet some people treat them as a religion instead of a philosophy.{{wob ref|3804}} Belief in the Passions is reinforced by the existence of [[spren]] on Roshar,{{wob ref|3804}} which often appear in response to emotions.
   
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Although Thaylen lore holds that the most Passionate among them could reopen the "portal of worlds" (possibly referring to an [[Oathgate]]),{{book ref|sa3|12}} the Passions do not actually have any inherent magical component.{{wob ref|4301}}
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===Relationship to Shards===
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The Passions have their basis in traditions that were influenced by the [[Shard]] [[Odium]].{{wob ref|12016}} Odium refers to himself as an incarnation of "Passion"{{book ref|sa3|57}} and many of his followers (such as the [[Fused]] and [[Moash]]) commonly speak of Passion that comes from or honors Odium.{{book ref|sa3|120}}{{book ref|sa3|122}}{{book ref|sa3|i|12}} However, the Thaylen Passions hold no direct link to Odium.{{wob ref|12016}}
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Another Shard named [[Ruin]] that formerly inhabited [[Scadrial]] also spoke pointedly about passion.{{book ref|mb3|57}}{{wob ref|8330}} This may have some significance in the [[cosmere]], as not all of the Shards share Ruin and Odium's regard for passion.{{wob ref|10447}}
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==Practitioners==
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Although Thaylenah is not considered a "[[Vorin]] kingdom",{{book ref|sa1|8}} Vorinism is culturally dominant{{book ref|sa1|i|4}} and there is an outpost of Vorin leadership located there.{{book ref|sa3|50}} Thaylens are therefore nominally Vorin, but many prominent Thaylens (including [[Yalb]],{{book ref|sa1|8}} [[Yokska]],{{book ref|sa3|62}} [[Hobber]],{{book ref|sa3|35}} and [[Vstim]]{{book ref|sa2|i|3}}) also follow the Passions. Queen [[Fen]] and her husband [[Kmakl]] both make reference to the Passions,{{book ref|sa3|12}}{{book ref|sa3|118}} and [[Febrth]] continues to follow the Passions even after joining the [[Diagram]].{{book ref|sa3|43}} [[Rysn]] expresses some skepticism about the Passions, although they seem to be culturally ingrained in her.{{book ref|sa2|i|3}}
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Fen tells [[Dalinar Kholin]] that some of the events surrounding the [[True Desolation]] have caused her people to consider abandoning Vorinism altogether in favor of the Passions.{{book ref|sa3|107}}
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== Perception ==
 
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|But wishing and expecting is of the Passions. A heresy. A good Vorin worries about transforming themselves.
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|I have no more proof of [[Honor|[The Almighty]]] than I do of the [[Thaylen]] Passions, [[Nu Ralik]] of the [[Purelake]], or any other religions.
  
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|Elhokar Kholin{{book ref|sa3|74}}
 
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The Passions are generally dismissed by people from Vorin strongholds such as [[Alethkar]] and [[Jah Keved]]. [[Elhokar Kholin]] calls them heretic,{{book ref|sa2|74}} while [[Shallan Davar]] and [[Navani Kholin]] see them as a pagan pseudo-religion or set of superstitions.{{book ref|sa3|12}}{{book ref|sa1|8}} [[Jasnah Kholin]] believes that all religions, including the Passions, are equally impossible to verify.{{book ref|sa2|3}}
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== Trivia ==
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*A [[fabrial]] such as the [[emotion bracelet]] may have effects that correspond to the Passions.{{wob ref|4301}}
   
 
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Passions
World of Origin Roshar
Universe Cosmere
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The Passions are a philosophy or religion from Thaylenah on Roshar.[1][2][3]

Philosophy

“Don't know much blustering math...But I do know the Passions. You win when you need it most, you see. ”

The primary tenet of the Passions is that wanting something draws it to you.[1] If you need money very badly, you will win when you gamble,[2] or if you strongly desire to visit a particular destination, you will get there even without a map.[4] The Passions do not have a formal theology, yet some people treat them as a religion instead of a philosophy.[1] Belief in the Passions is reinforced by the existence of spren on Roshar,[1] which often appear in response to emotions.

Although Thaylen lore holds that the most Passionate among them could reopen the "portal of worlds" (possibly referring to an Oathgate),[5] the Passions do not actually have any inherent magical component.[6]

Relationship to Shards

The Passions have their basis in traditions that were influenced by the Shard Odium.[7] Odium refers to himself as an incarnation of "Passion"[8] and many of his followers (such as the Fused and Moash) commonly speak of Passion that comes from or honors Odium.[9][10][11] However, the Thaylen Passions hold no direct link to Odium.[7]

Another Shard named Ruin that formerly inhabited Scadrial also spoke pointedly about passion.[12][13] This may have some significance in the cosmere, as not all of the Shards share Ruin and Odium's regard for passion.[14]

Practitioners

Although Thaylenah is not considered a "Vorin kingdom",[2] Vorinism is culturally dominant[15] and there is an outpost of Vorin leadership located there.[16] Thaylens are therefore nominally Vorin, but many prominent Thaylens (including Yalb,[2] Yokska,[17] Hobber,[18] and Vstim[19]) also follow the Passions. Queen Fen and her husband Kmakl both make reference to the Passions,[5][20] and Febrth continues to follow the Passions even after joining the Diagram.[4] Rysn expresses some skepticism about the Passions, although they seem to be culturally ingrained in her.[19]

Fen tells Dalinar Kholin that some of the events surrounding the True Desolation have caused her people to consider abandoning Vorinism altogether in favor of the Passions.[21]

Perception

“But wishing and expecting is of the Passions. A heresy. A good Vorin worries about transforming themselves. ”

—Elhokar Kholin[22]

The Passions are generally dismissed by people from Vorin strongholds such as Alethkar and Jah Keved. Elhokar Kholin calls them heretic,[23] while Shallan Davar and Navani Kholin see them as a pagan pseudo-religion or set of superstitions.[5][2] Jasnah Kholin believes that all religions, including the Passions, are equally impossible to verify.[3]

Trivia

Notes

  1. ↑ a b c d Stormlight Three Update #4
    — Arcanum - 2016-10-12#
  2. ↑ a b c d e f The Way of Kings chapter 8#
  3. ↑ a b Words of Radiance chapter 3#
  4. ↑ a b Oathbringer chapter 43#
  5. ↑ a b c Oathbringer chapter 12#
  6. ↑ a b Shadows of Self San Francisco signing
    — Arcanum - 2015-10-09#
  7. ↑ a b Skyward Chicago signing
    — Arcanum - 2018-11-16#
  8. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 57#
  9. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 120#
  10. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 122#
  11. ↑ Oathbringer interlude I-12#
  12. ↑ The Hero of Ages chapter 57#
  13. ↑ Oathbringer release party
    — Arcanum - 2017-11-13#
  14. ↑ Idaho Falls signing
    — Arcanum - 2018-07-21#
  15. ↑ The Way of Kings interlude I-4#
  16. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 50#
  17. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 62#
  18. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 35#
  19. ↑ a b Words of Radiance interlude I-3#
  20. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 118#
  21. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 107#
  22. ↑ Oathbringer chapter 74#
  23. ↑ Words of Radiance chapter 74#
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