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During the battle, Taln was next to catatonic, requiring Ash to pull him along until [[Dalinar]] managed to open [[Honor's Perpendicularity]], whereupon the two Heralds managed to have a short conversation.{{book ref|sa3|119}} After the battle, with Taln once more uncommunicative, Ash decided to take him to [[Ishar]]. This was, however, not to be, as at the same time, [[Vyre]] managed to kill [[Jezrien]], sending her into deep shock. The resulting commotion made [[Jasnah]], watching the line to the [[Oathgates]], notice them and come to confront them, but Shalash fell unconscious before the two could talk.{{book ref|sa3|121}}
After being discovered at the Battle of Thaylen Field, Ash and Taln moved to Urithiru, where they were often interviewed by Jasnah. Ash provided some information about [[Bondsmiths]] and the Oathpact to Dalinar, but claimed that Ishar was the real expert on the subject.{{book ref|sa4|17}} The two Heralds were brought along to the offensive in Emul, and Ash was eventually again questioned by Dalinar about Ishar.{{book ref|sa4|71}}
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