Editing Lirin

{{character
|image=Lirin by Shuravf.jpg
|spouse=[[Hesina]]
|children=[[Kaladin]], [[Tien]], [[Oroden]]
|profession={{cat tag|medical professionals|Surgeon}}
|'residence=[[Hearthstone]] <small>(former)</small>, [[Urithiru]]
|nation=Alethkar
|world=Roshar
|universe=[[Cosmere]]
|introduced=[[The Way of Kings]]
}}
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{{quote
|Somebody has to start. Somebody has to step forward and do what is right, because it is right. If nobody starts, then others cannot follow.
|Lirin{{book ref|sa1|41}}
}}
'''Lirin''' is a darkeyed [[Alethi]] surgeon and citizen of the second [[nahn]].{{book ref|sa1|10}} He lives and works on the outskirts of [[Hearthstone]]{{book ref|sa1|16}} within the [[Sadeas princedom]] of [[Alethkar]].{{book ref|sa1|10}}{{book ref|sa1|44}} Lirin is married to [[Hesina]] and is the father of [[Kaladin]], [[Tien]], and [[Oroden]]. 

As second nahn, Lirin and his family are full citizens of Alethkar and have the right to travel{{book ref|sa1|10}} and the right of inquest.{{book ref|sa1|37}} Additionally, Lirin's position as a surgeon grants him further legal protections such as immunity from enlistment.{{book ref|sa1|37}}{{book ref|sa1|44}} Lirin's ancestors had not always been of such a high rank, and the forefathers bought and worked their way up the social ladder throughout multiple generations.{{book ref|sa1|10}}

Lirin's home is built on the outskirts of Hearthstone and is larger than the normal household building due to the inclusion of his surgery room.{{book ref|sa1|16}}

== Appearance and Personality ==
=== Appearance ===
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{{image|Lirin portrait.png|side=right|width=250px|Portrait of Lirin}}
Lirin is balding, thin, and bespectacled.{{book ref|sa3|6}} He is diminutive and stands several fingers shorter than his wife.{{book ref|sa3|6}} He rarely wears his glasses except when performing surgery as they are one of his most valued possessions, and he fears breaking or damaging them as they would be difficult to replace.{{book ref|sa1|10}}

=== Personality ===
Lirin rarely drinks,{{book ref|sa1|31}} but his alcohol consumption increased after the death of [[Wistiow]] and the arrival of [[Roshone]].{{book ref|sa1|37}} He enjoys calculating the trajectory of the [[highstorm]]s,{{book ref|sa1|4}} and going on walks to clear his head.{{book ref|sa1|46}}

Lirin is stubborn{{book ref|sa1|37}} and dislikes ambiguity, often becoming pessimistic when faced with uncertainty.{{book ref|sa1|25}} While he prefers not to cause unnecessary strife or embarrassment, and will discount town gossip,{{book ref|sa1|25}} he will confront those who pose a threat.{{book ref|sa1|37}} He is considered to be quite strange by the other townsfolk, and they are often uncomfortable around both him and his family.{{book ref|sa1|10}} While his wife attributes this reaction to his learning and knowledge,{{book ref|sa1|25}} Lirin finds that their hostility comes, at least in part, from their insecurities surrounding his family's higher social standing.{{book ref|sa1|16}}  Regardless of their discomfort, the townsfolk of Hearthstone respect Lirin{{book ref|sa1|25}} and appreciate the work he does.{{book ref|sa1|37}} Lirin, in turn, cares about the people of Hearthstone, despite their aversion to him, and feels tied to the town through his connections with the other residents.{{book ref|sa1|37}} 

Lirin can be highly critical, particularly of those he does not agree with,{{book ref|sa1|10}}{{book ref|sa1|16}} and is a strong opponent to needless danger.{{book ref|sa1|26}}{{book ref|sa1|41}} He is strongly averse to violence,{{book ref|sa3|7}} and disagrees with the need for war,{{book ref|sa1|16}} as well as the [[Calling]] of being a soldier.{{book ref|sa1|10}} He would rather allow multiple people to die than kill a single person himself.{{wob ref|16095}} His explanations of the world are given with precision and are sometimes sterile in nature.{{book ref|sa1|16}}

=== Beliefs ===
{{quote
|The Heralds were sent to teach mankind ... They led us against the Voidbringers after we were cast from heaven.
|Lirin to [[Kaladin]]{{book ref|sa1|10}}
}}

Lirin believes in the teachings of the [[Herald]]s, who have shared roots with the practice of medicine.{{book ref|sa1|46}} He teaches his son Kaladin of their wisdom during his apprenticeship and is always carefully to outline the distinction between the Heralds and the [[Knights Radiant]].{{book ref|sa1|10}} According to Lirin, one of the fundamental tenets of the [[Vorin]] religion is the ability to climb in social rank.{{book ref|sa1|16}} Lirin does not believe in folktales about [[Voidbringers]], though he does acknowledge that they were the enemies of the Heralds.{{book ref|sa1|10}}

He has some level of awareness of the [[Spiritual Realm]], but he conflates it with the afterlife.{{book ref|sa1|16}}

== Attributes and Abilities ==
{{image|Lirin and Hesina by Marie Seeberger.jpg|side=left|width=200px|With [[Hesina]]}}
=== Surgery and teaching  ===
{{quote
|The children of the men and women whose lives we save. That's who tells stories of surgeons.
|Lirin to [[Kaladin]]{{book ref|sa1|10}}
}}
Lirin trained as a surgeon under [[Vathe]] in the town of [[Shorsebroon]] near Hearthstone.{{book ref|sa1|10}} Lirin is a decent surgeon,{{book ref|sa1|37}} both steady{{book ref|sa1|10}} and calm under pressure,{{book ref|sa1|41}} though if he was to live in a larger city he would likely only be a medical assistant rather than a surgeon in his own right.{{book ref|sa1|37}} He takes on two apprentices, first his son Kaladin, and later, Mara.{{book ref|sa3|7}}

He is particular about keeping time during his surgeries and is the only person in the town to own a [[fabrial]] clock.{{book ref|sa1|10}} Lirin is also conscious of the quality of light he uses when treating patients, and for a long time has a goblet of spheres on permanent loan from brightlord Wistiow.{{book ref|sa1|10}} He has lived and worked in Hearthstone for long enough that the other citizens sometimes hold him to expectations that are impossible to reach, and will react in anger when he is unable to work miracles.{{book ref|sa1|10}}

Lirin believes that lives are priceless and as such does not charge for his work as a surgeon.{{book ref|sa1|17}} He is meticulous about the cleanliness of his surgery and his family spends large amounts of time keeping both the rooms and the medical tools clean.{{book ref|sa1|10}} After a surgery, Lirin coats his tools in oil after first cleaning them with alcohol. This is one of the older traditions of the medical field.{{book ref|sa1|10}}

As a surgeon, Lirin has accepted that he will not always be able to save those in his care and must sometimes make the difficult decision to prioritise one patient over another.{{book ref|sa1|41}} He works by a specific set of guidelines: if the patients are equally wounded, then treat the youngest, if not, treat the most severe. Above all else, however, know when a patient is beyond saving.{{book ref|sa1|41}}

=== Predicting highstorms ===
Lirin predicts highstorms as a hobby. He is usually right, about eight in ten times.{{book ref|sa1|4}}

== History ==
===Early History===
As a youth, Lirin traveled to [[Kharbranth]] as a courier, where he was introduced to different cultures and societies. He had particularly poor luck when meeting people from [[Thaylenah]], all of whom tried to swindle him.{{book ref|sa1|10}} 

After returning to Alethkar Lirin was trained by a surgeon from [[Shorsebroon]], called [[Vathe]], who had also trained at the [[Great Concourse of Kharbranth]].{{book ref|sa1|10}}{{book ref|sa1|17}}

He taught Lirin breathing exercises during his apprenticeship to help him remain calm during surgery.{{book ref|sa4|1}}

While traveling he met [[Hesina]], the daughter of a high-ranked family, and they fell in love. Although his initial introduction to her parents was a disaster, Hesina and Lirin got married and began a family in Hearthstone.{{book ref|sa1|31}}{{wob ref|1335}}

=== The Surgeon And his Apprentice ===
Lirin began training his son [[Kaladin]] in the profession of surgery from a young age. When Kaladin was ten, he worked with his father on a young girl, [[Sani]], who had major injuries to one of her hands. The surgery doubled as a learning opportunity, and together Lirin and his son were able to save four of the girl's five fingers. After the operation, Kaladin helped his father to clean the surgery room and discussed why he had been late. Disapproving of his son's choices to hang around with older village boys like [[Jam (Hearthstone)|Jam]], Lirin argued with Kaladin over the usefulness of surgeons and soldiers. After shifting the conversation, Lirin continued his son's study, quizzing him on various diseases and medicines. He believed Kaladin had great potential and expressed his desire to send Kaladin to Kharbranth after he turned sixteen to study.{{book ref|sa1|10}} 

Several years later, Kaladin unsuccessfully tried to save the life of [[Miasal]], who had fallen from a considerable height. Lirin was called to the scene by [[Alim]], but did not arrive before the girl died. Afterwards, Lirin sought out Kaladin, and found him weeping on the steps near the surgery room. Before coming to find his son, he had gone to inspect the child, and despite Kaladin's inability to save her, he was impressed by the work Kaladin had done. The two of them sat together as the sun set, while Kaladin continued to grieve.{{book ref|sa1|20}}

=== Brightlord Wistiow and the Goblet of Spheres ===
Lirin and Brightlord [[Wistiow]] were close friends despite the differences in their social standing. In {{Rosharan date|1165}}, the brightlord fell ill and was attended by Lirin who, despite his best efforts, was unable to save the citylord's life. On the day of Wistiow's death, Lirin traveled to his manor to speak with the man. During his visit, he prepared documentation on behalf of the brightlord, that would gift his family a number of [[spheres|diamond broams]]. After the document was read to the brightlord by his clerks, Wistiow ordered his staff from the room, leaving Lirin as the only witness to his authorization of the transaction. Later, after returning home, Lirin was found by Kaladin in his surgery room. After telling his son of the brightlord's passing, Lirin informed him about the "inherited" spheres and how they would be used to pay for Kaladin's further study in Kharbranth when he was older.{{book ref|sa1|16}}{{book ref|sa1|25}}{{book ref|sa1|37}}

The brightlord was not in his right mind during his last few days and did not have the capacity to transfer this wealth. Lirin, with the help of his wife Hesina, engineered the theft of their friend's wealth, as they knew that his death would mean the loss of the potential union between their children. Rumors sprang up not long after the brightlord's death surrounding the legitimacy of the transaction, though concrete evidence was never produced to prove the spheres had been stolen.{{book ref|sa1|25}}{{book ref|sa1|37}}

On a rare night of indulgence, Lirin warned his elder son against returning to Hearthstone after finishing his studies. The pair were shortly interrupted by a group of masked townsmen who had come to rob them and take Wistiow's spheres. Lirin knew they were members of the town, and not bandits as assumed by Kaladin, and refused to be intimidated by them. Instead of cowering, he removed the cloth covering the spheres, and lit up the night, exposing the thieves and taking away their anonymity. When Lirin showed he was willing to stand against them, the men disappeared, probably ashamed of their actions.{{book ref|sa1|31}}

=== The Butcher ===
When the new citylord, [[Roshone]], arrived in Hearthstone without prior warning, Lirin and his family gathered in the town square to greet him. Though Lirin attempted to welcome the new citylord into the town, Roshone immediately sneered at him and rebuffed his efforts, blaming him for Wistiow's death and the need for a new citylord in Hearthstone. After Roshone departed for his manor, Lirin compared his arrival with that of throwing a butcher in the game [[breakneck]]-- what comes next depended entirely on the other player.{{book ref|sa1|25}}

Life for Lirin went downhill quickly after Roshone's appointment as citylord. Roshone suspected that Lirin stole Wistiow's spheres, though Lirin claimed they were given to him, and attempted to coerce Lirin into giving the spheres to him with his economic and political clout. At Roshone's suggestion, the townspeople ceased their donations and inflated the price of their goods, as they felt intimidated by Roshone and wished to avoid his anger. However, they continued to donate in secret, leaving food around the town for Hesina to find while she worked.{{book ref|sa1|37}}{{book ref|sa1|44}} 

{{sidequote
|If we lack for something to eat, we can feast upon the attention you lavish upon us, Brightlord.
|Lirin to [[Roshone]]{{book ref|sa1|37}}
|side=left|size=300px
}}

After the family lost access to all sources of income, Roshone invited Lirin to dine with him, so he could further break the surgeon. Despite his mother's attempts to distract him, Kaladin joined his father for the meeting. On their way to the manor, Lirin discussed the possibility of the family moving away, but admitted he struggled with the thought.{{book ref|sa1|37}}

Tensions were high when Lirin and Kaladin joined Roshone in the manor's dining room. Initially, Roshone tried to seat the surgeon at a separate table; an insult against Lirin, who was entitled to a seat at the brightlord's table by his invitation and rank. Despite being offered food, Lirin did not eat, instead choosing to skip directly to the reason for his invitation. Roshone wished for the return of Wistiow's spheres, which Lirin had continuously refused. The citylord could not regain the spheres using legal means, as he was unlikely to win an inquest against the surgeon. Unable to get past Lirin's stubborn refusal to return all of the spheres, Roshone turned to negotiation. After an outburst from Kaladin, Lirin sent his son away to the kitchens and continued the discussion with Roshone in private. During the conversation, he argued back and forth with the citylord over the amount he was willing to return, but he pretended to grow frustrated and left before an agreement was reached.{{book ref|sa1|37}}

Lirin later revealed to Kaladin on their trip home that he never intended to give up the spheres. He had gone to the meeting to give the appearance of bending but had known that Roshone would never have agreed to only a partial transfer. Roshone was a petty man, who targeted and lashed out at Lirin as a surrogate for those he blamed for his exile from [[Kholinar]]. He would never be happy until he had taken away all power from Lirin and had been beaten down completely. Lirin, aware of the brightlord's plans, used the opportunity to gain his family a reprieve from the oppressive citylord. It was during this same discussion that Kaladin learned the truth about Wistiow's spheres and his parents' role in their theft.{{book ref|sa1|37}}

=== Children Lost === 
==== Rillir ====
After a catastrophic [[whitespine]] hunt, Roshone's son, [[Rillir]], died whilst in Lirin's care. The young man was brought back, along with his father, ahead of the rest of the hunting party in the hopes he could be saved. Two others were injuries in the attack, however [[Alds]] and [[Milp]] had been left to be retrieved by the other townsfolk. They likely died of their wounds. Rillir's wounds were extensive, and after an assessment, Lirin determined he could not save the boy. Roshone, lying on a separate table screamed at the surgeon to help his son, however, Lirin instead opted to tend to Roshone, whose wounds weren't as severe. He administered [[dazewater]] to the brightlord to calm him, as well as to Rillir to ease his suffering. When he removed the whitespine tusk from Roshone's leg, Lirin was presented with the opportunity to end the citylord's life. Unable to kill those in his charge, he instead chose to save the brightlord's life. After the operation, Roshone was returned to his manor to rest and his son's body sent to the crypt. Once again sitting on the steps outside of their home, Kaladin questioned his father over whether he would have let Roshone die if he had not also been in the room. Lirin responded in the negative; he could not have let another in his care die, though Kaladin's presence had helped to strengthen his resolve.{{book ref|sa1|41}}

After Rillir's death, Lirin began to spend brightlord Wistiow's spheres. He did not need to do this; the family could survive as they were and had been offered assistance by Hesina's parents if required. However, by spending the spheres Lirin presented the illusion that Roshone had won and he had finally broken. He planned to continue in this fashion until Kaladin had reached the age of sixteen, and the spheres could be sent with him to Kharbranth. Regardless, Lirin did not enjoy having to spend the spheres.{{book ref|sa1|44}}

==== Tien and Kaladin ====
Six months later, during the [[Weeping]], the townsfolk of Hearthstone gathered once more in the square to await the arrival of a [[lighteyes]]. The last time they had gathered, Roshone had become their city lord, this time they were greeted by Highmarshal [[Amaram]], cousin to Roshone and leader of the princedom's army, in the absence of Highprince [[Torol Sadeas|Sadeas]]. Roshone, who had become reclusive following his son's death, also made an appearance. When [[Laral]] appeared, and it became obvious she was now betrothed to Roshone, Lirin sternly warned Kaladin against making a scene. Amaram, who had been in the region to visit his cousin, used the opportunity to recruit new members to fight on the princedom's border. Lirin worried that Kaladin would volunteer, however his son did not step forward. After only six men volunteered, Amaram read through a list of townsfolk who would be pressed into the army to increase their numbers. Among the names chosen, was [[Tien]], Lirin's second son. 

The conscription of Tien had not been random. Roshone, vindictive and angry that Lirin had been unable to save Rillir, conspired to take away the surgeon's son. While Lirin and Kaladin could not be forced into the army due to their professions of surgeon and surgeon's assistant, Tien as the carpenter's third apprentice could be targeted. Lirin attempted to prevent his son being taken, but was interceded by the highmarshal. Roshone insisted that Lirin's second son be impressed, and gloated at the victory he believed to have won over the surgeon. In an attempt to calm the situation, Amaram promised to make the boy a messenger to keep him away from combat. Kaladin, unwilling to let the matter lie, offered to volunteer in his brother's place. When denied, he chose to enlist alongside his brother to protect him from harm. Kaladin promised his devastated parents that he would take care of Tien and bring him home after their four-year tour.{{book ref|sa1|44}}

Tien died, not four months after their departure. Lirin and Hesina received correspondence from Kaladin after his brother's death to inform them of his failure as well as his decision to not return to Hearthstone. They did not reply. Several years later, they received notice that Kaladin had also been killed.{{book ref|sa1|47}}{{book ref|sa3|6}}

{{image|Reunited by Marie Seeberger.jpg|side=left|width=250px|Reunited with [[Kaladin]]}}

=== Child Found ===
A year before the [[Everstorm]], Lirin's third son, [[Oroden]] was born.{{book ref|sa3|7}}

{{sidequote
|We're surgeons. Let others rend and break; we must not harm others.
|Lirin to Kaladin{{book ref|sa3|7}}
|side=right|size=300px
}}

When Kaladin returned to Hearthstone following the [[Everstorm]], he found his father tending to the wounded. The parlor of Roshone's manor had been converted into a triage room for Lirin, his wife, and his apprentice, [[Mara (Roshar)|Mara]], to use to see to the wounded. Although he did not initially recognize his son, Lirin quickly came to identify the newcomer and both he and Hesina shared a heartfelt reunion with Kaladin. Lirin argued with Roshone's guards who had been put on edge by Kaladin's brands. He refused to let his son be sent away again, and vowed to buy Kaladin's writ of slavery, if needed. After growing frustrated, he looked to compromise with Roshone's guard, and by extension the brightlord himself, by writing to highprince's administrators for an explanation, buying the family time.{{book ref|sa3|6}}

While Kaladin discussed the town's situation in private with Roshone, Lirin continued to treat those wounded by the Everstorm. When he returned to the parlor, Kaladin slipped back into his old role as assistant, and helped his father administer first aid. Lirin disapproved of Kaladin's path towards violence; while he believed war was inevitable, he wished that his son did not have to be involved.{{book ref|sa3|7}}

Although Kaladin expressed the desire to relocate his family to [[Urithiru]], Lirin refused, telling his son that he was needed in Hearthstone.{{book ref|sa3|7}}

=== The ''Fourth Bridge'' ===
Because of this, Kaladin arranged to evacuate the entire population of Hearthstone via the ''[[Fourth Bridge]]''. After Lirin learned that some of the Radiants can heal others, he grew withdrawn, as he felt that his talents as a surgeon had been rendered obsolete. After Kaladin explained that only two orders of Radiants can use the Surge of [[Progression]] and the limits of its power, Lirin became excited to work in Urithiru's medical clinic and to begin exploring the new medical equipment from [[Kharbranth]] that Kaladin got for him. Then, after Kaladin told Lirin about how he would be leaving the army, Lirin was overjoyed.{{book ref|sa4|18}}

=== The Occupation of Urithiru ===
After Kaladin and Lirin learned that all of the Radiants were falling unconscious, Lirin convinced Kaladin not to go out and fight.{{book ref|sa4|39}} A [[Regal]] came to collect the fallen Radiants Lirin was taking care of in the clinic, and he tried unsuccessfully to keep the Radiants with him. When Kaladin attempted to intervene, Lirin tried to stop him from fighting, but Kaladin blocked him and killed the Regal, after which Lirin got mad at him and sent him away.{{book ref|sa4|43}} 

Lirin and Hesina were later brought in to take care of the comatose Radiants, as the [[singer]]s could not.{{book ref|sa4|56}} While they were working, [[Venli]] and [[Rlain]] came with a crate of maps Rlain stole, and they discussed what to do with them; Lirin emphasised that he did not want to fight the occupation. Lirin saw that several of the water bearers had [[Glyphs/Index#Shash_(dangerous)|shash]] glyphs on their foreheads, and he explained to Venli how he thought they were a foolish idea.{{book ref|sa4|74}} 

Later, Rlain came to him while in the infirmary, and Lirin told Rlain that the [[Regal#Stormform|stormform]] guards of the Radiants had seen him, and questioned whether they could trust [[Leshwi]] and Venli. Rlain admitted that he did not know. Lirin left for a moment and recognized [[Dabbid]], who told him and Rlain that Kaladin was dying.{{book ref|sa4|79}} Lirin got into an argument with Rlain because he would not promise not to give Kaladin up to the [[Fused]] after he heals him. Hesina volunteered to go, but Lirin told her she won't be able to heal Kaladin by herself. Venli suggested freeing [[Lift]] and getting her to heal Kaladin instead.{{book ref|sa4|83}}

While talking with Hesina, she brought up Kaladin and he immediately made a point that he is right in his attitude to Kaladin, and tried to leave. Hesina stopped him and told him that Kaladin is the best person to be a soldier. When he called the helpers wearing shash glyphs fools, she led him to [[Noril]], who said that he wears the shash glyph because Kaladin, unlike the [[ardent]]s, helped with his depression. Hesina then asked him to go to the people wearing shash glyphs and ask why they wear them.{{book ref|sa4|i|10}} 

When [[Teft]] entered the infirmary, he noticed Lirin, Hesina, and Oroden bound and gagged in the back.{{book ref|sa4|103}} After Kaladin became insensate upon Teft's death, [[Moash]] took Lirin and gave him to the [[Pursuer]] with instructions to kill him if Kaladin regains his senses.{{book ref|sa4|105}} The Pursuer gave him to Leshwi, who cut Lirin's hands free before giving him to another [[Heavenly One]] so she could try to stop the Pursuer. Kaladin defeated the Pursuer and went for Lirin, but the Heavenly One panicked and shot off, and Kaladin followed. The Heavenly One landed on the roof, and Kaladin followed. As Kaladin advanced on the Heavenly One, she threw Lirin off the roof.{{book ref|sa4|106}} Kaladin, after speaking [[Order of Windrunners#The Fourth Ideal|The Fourth Ideal]], grabbed Lirin's arm to slow him down. The two of them hugged, and Kaladin explained that he realized that both of their ways were correct, for them. Lirin berated him for cutting the rescue so close. Kaladin discovered the shash glyph on Lirin's forehead, and Lirin told him he was trying to show faith in him. Lirin brushed aside Kaladin's hair to see his brand, only to discover that it had finally healed. Kaladin flied Lirin back to the tower.{{book ref|sa4|110}}

== Relationships ==
{{image|Darkeyes by Gal Or.jpg|side=right|height=300px|with [[Hesina]] and [[Oroden]]}}
===Hesina===
Lirin does not get along well with [[Hesina]]'s parents and as such they are not often spoken of around Kaladin or his brother.{{book ref|sa1|25}} Lirin's introduction to his wife's parents went quite poorly.{{book ref|sa1|25}} Marrying Lirin greatly impacted Hesina's social standing and Lirin occasionally regrets the sacrifices she made to move with him to Hearthstone.{{book ref|sa1|31}} They do not always see eye to eye,{{book ref|sa1|16}} and Lirin finds Hesina's religious beliefs frustrating.{{book ref|sa1|17}} Regardless, he loves his wife and they are happy together.

Hesina occasionally helps her husband during his surgeries if multiple assistants are needed or if Lirin's apprentice isn't available.{{book ref|sa1|10}}{{book ref|sa3|6}}

===Tien===
Lirin had hoped he would be able to take [[Tien]] on as a second apprentice, who could take over from his brother when Kaladin left for Kharbranth. Unfortunately, Tien's phobia of blood prevented him from following in his fathers footsteps and Lirin reluctantly let him apprentice to the carpenter, [[Ral]].{{book ref|sa1|31}} Lirin is protective of his son and enjoys his excitable nature.{{book ref|sa1|25}} He is devastated when Tien is forced into the army by Roshone and it is only Amaram interceding that stopped him from causing a scene on the day Tien was recruited.{{book ref|sa1|44}}

He disapproves of both of his son's hanging around the older children in the town, particularly those who encouraged fighting and the revere the Calling of soldier.{{book ref|sa1|10}}

{{image|Stormblessed Family by Elisgardor.jpg|With the rest of his family|side=left|width=300px}}

=== Kaladin ===
{{quote
|There are two kinds of people in this world, son. Those who save lives. And those who take lives.
|Lirin to Kaladin{{book ref|sa1|10}}
}}

[[Kaladin]] was trained by Lirin as a surgeon's assistant and showed a great aptitude in the field of medicine.{{book ref|sa1|10}}{{book ref|sa1|20}} He is proud of his son's work as a surgeon and believes with training and dedication, Kaladin can surpass him in skill.{{book ref|sa1|10}} During his childhood, Kaladin's parents were at odds over how much time he should spend studying versus having a traditional childhood.{{book ref|sa1|16}} Whether due to, or despite these disagreements, Kaladin is granted two hours a day by his father where he is not required to study.{{book ref|sa1|16}}

{{sidequote
|You have to learn when to care, son. ... And when to let go. You'll see. I had similar problems when I was younger. You'll grow calluses.
|Lirin to Kaladin{{book ref|sa1|20}}
|side=right|size=300px
}}
Lirin hoped to send Kaladin to study in Kharbranth, where he could further his training under medical scholars.  After the arrival of Roshone, Lirin and his wife request for Kaladin to take the entry tests early, however their request is denied.{{book ref|sa1|31}} Despite warning Kaladin (during one of his gloomier moments), against becoming stuck in Hearthstone, Lirin has always hoped his son would return home after completing further study.{{book ref|sa1|31}}

Throughout his training, Kaladin often struggles with the emotional burden of losing patients.{{book ref|sa1|20}} While Lirin sympathises with his son's need to care, he also is resolute in his teachings that there is such a thing as caring too much.{{book ref|sa1|10}} Nevertheless, he is proud of his son's abilities.{{book ref|sa1|20}} 

Kaladin admires his father's bravery and his ability to stand up to those who outrank him.{{book ref|sa1|37}} He is proud to be his father's son, though he questions the morality of some of Lirin's choices.{{book ref|sa1|37}} Lirin doubts Kaladin's ability to cause harm to others{{book ref|sa1|41}} and is deeply disappointed when confronted with the fact that his son owns a Shardblade and has become a killer.{{book ref|sa3|7}}
 
=== Roshone ===
{{quote
|The lighteyes don't care about life ... So I must. ... We have to be ''better'' than they are.
|Lirin to [[Kaladin]]{{book ref|sa1|41}}
}}
There is a great deal of animosity between Lirin and the citylord of Hearthstone, Brightlord Roshone. Roshone's resentment of Lirin, while initially stemming from his relocation to the farming town, is further fueled by Lirin's stubbornness as well as the death of Roshone's son.{{book ref|sa1|44}} In turn, Lirin dislikes Roshone's pettiness and condescending attitude and find him to be greedy and a bully.{{book ref|sa1|37}} Roshone wishes to break Lirin's will instead of simply drive him away, and would not make it easy for the family to move away from Hearthstone.{{book ref|sa1|31}}{{book ref|sa1|37}}

Lirin does not allow his distaste of Roshone to interfere with his duties as a surgeon, despite the burden it would ease for his family.{{book ref|sa1|41}} The relationship between Roshone and Lirin, while remaining hostile, settles down after the depature of Tien and Kaladin, likely due to Roshone's guilt.{{book ref|sa3|6}}

== Notes ==
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