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It appears that there is disagreement over the role Odium played in Ambitions destruction. The quote in question "Odium clashed with (and mortally wounded) the shard Ambition here. Ambition would later be splintered, though that act took place in a different location." The quote here does not seem to imply Odium actually killed Ambition, he did mortally wound it (although in terms of Shards that phrase seems a bit odd, consider for example Leras) but that does not mean he killed them. Someone else could have finished off the Shard Ambition before they succumbed to their wounds. This is a line of thinking I personally have seen theorised before the release of RoW and with that release it seems more likely Odium is not the one who actually killed Ambition, in universe this also appears to be the case as on the Roshar essay Khriss doesn't list Ambition as one of Odium's "doubtless" victims, it seems that there is doubt over who actually had killed Ambition. I think it would be best to if not remove the mention of Ambition from the list of his victims to at least add a bit acknowledging this doubt on if Odium actually killed Ambition. --[[User:Debarra|Debarra]] ([[User talk:Debarra|talk]]) 26th Dec 2020
 
:I can definitely see the wiggle room in the mortally wounded quote, for sure. I think [https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36-arcanum-unbounded-chicago-signing/#e1550 this wob] is also pretty good evidence though that Ambition was killed by Odium even if if they wasn't listed in Arcanum. It's been believed up till now that Ambition was killed by Odium, I don't think there's anything definitive in RoW that should really changes that belief. [[User:LadyLameness|LadyLameness]] ([[User talk:LadyLameness|talk]]) 02:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 
::Personally I'd still see that wob as leaving wiggle room but I'll put my tin foil hat aside. :) Thank you for linking it. --[[User:Debarra|Debarra]] ([[User talk:Debarra|talk]]) 27th Dec 2020
 
:::I would still think that the phrase "mortally wound" means that the wound is the cause of death. I did a quick Google search and that's what the phrase means. Certainly I agree we don't know what context Mercy's involvement is, but Odium's wound led to Ambition's death. -- [[User:Chaos2651|Chaos2651]] ([[User talk:Chaos2651|talk]]) 19:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)